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Message 156 - Posted: 23 Oct 2009, 16:19:35 UTC

I've had 3 Box's since last night Lock up because of the NFS Wu using upwards of 1GB of Memory. I observed this on all 3 Box's, the Wu uses no CPU & the Memory Requirement just Spikes or keeps climbing until the Computer locks up. All you can do is Abort the offending Wu when noticed and make sure the next one on the Box doesn't do the same thing as I had to Abort 3 straight Wu's on 1 Box for the abnormal Memory Usage.
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Message 161 - Posted: 23 Oct 2009, 18:56:48 UTC

Do you know you can select (or deselect in your case) this new application that uses a lot of memory in your preferences? Then only usual work that uses less memory will be given to you.

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Message 162 - Posted: 23 Oct 2009, 23:28:20 UTC
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I didn't know that, Thanks, I'll give that a try because I just found 2 more Box's that had the Wu's running over 10 Hr's ...

PS: Problem is you can't get work for the Low Memory one probably because that's what most people want.
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Message 163 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 0:51:38 UTC - in response to Message 162.  

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PS: Problem is you can't get work for the Low Memory one probably because that's what most people want.


Our problem is that (1) there are very few Cunningham numbers
for which the low memory siever is the correct choice; and
(2) projects for numbers that size would finish very quickly,
just 2-3 days, which is already difficult to manage for the
medium-sized siever (as illustrated by the 59-digit ECM factor
in the most recent reservations). I could be wrong, but I
don't believe that any of our numbers have used the small-memory
siever.

I've recently been sieving a bunch of numbers with difficulty
240.0-249.99 on our x86-64 clusters (distributed under condor)
--- they also use the medium-sized siever. The NFS@Home numbers
all have difficulty 250.0-259.99, still in the range where the
medium-sized siever is best. I did one number with the large
siever which had difficulty 269, but I'm not sure where the
crossover is (I'm not sure that we know). I've only done one
number with the low-memory siever, which had difficulty in the 220's.
One of our friends is expert at finding interest in those small-sized
numbers (as well as providing the assembly code settings used for the
large memory siever, which is new). I'll check to see whether there's
one or two that we could convince Greg would be worth the over-head.

Sorry to hear that the new tasks crashed your machine. We had some
discussions with the leader of yoyo@home, who was assuring us that
BOINC would be able to track larger memory jobs away from machines
on which they'd cause a problem. Sounds like we weren't careful
enough.

Regards, bdodson
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Message 164 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 1:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 162.  

The lowest memory one, lasieved, is not being currently used and hasn't been for most of the project. lasievee is the one that the project has been using for over a month now, so you should leave this one checked. lasievef is causing the problems in your case. BOINC should not download or start workunits if there is insufficient memory for them, but for some unknown reason it is in your case. Deselect lasievef and all will go back to normal.

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Message 170 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 8:34:03 UTC

All my Computers have at least 2GB of Memory & is why BOINC will Download the lasievef Wu's thinking there is enough Memory to run them. Problem is when your running 4 @ 1 time then there isn't enough Memory & why the Lockup's occur.

Even if only 1 lasievef were to run & 3 of the 500MB Type too your still short of memory. The lasievee ones seem to use only 357-358MB of Memory & is why I can get away with running 4 of them with only 2GB of Memory on some Box's.

Before I went to bed last night I Aborted all the lasievef one's (Sorry) and my Box's ran okay overnight with none Locked up this morning so that's the route for me I guess.
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Message 171 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 8:47:47 UTC - in response to Message 170.  

BOINC shouldn't try to start workunits where the total memory needed is over 2GB, but it apparently did. Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed for you. And feel free to abort workunits as needed. They are automatically reissued.
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Message 172 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 8:53:12 UTC

But does BOINC Know which Wu's will use 1GB & which will only use 357MB, it may get confused with different requirements for Wu's from the same Project ???
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Message 174 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 9:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 172.  

Yes it does. One of the properties of each workunit is how much memory it will require.
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Message 176 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 10:31:05 UTC

Okay, but the 1GB Wu's could still start up because you have brief periods where the NFS Wu are using hardly any memory right after they start up. It takes a few Minutes for the lasievee Wu's to jump up to 357-358, if a 1GB lasievef Wu were to start up during that brief period then BOINC probably thinks there's enough Memory for it to run when there isn't once all 4 Wu's get up to full Memory Usage ....
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Message 177 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 11:44:39 UTC

Just had 8 of the 1GB lasievef Wu's running on my i7 with 6GB of Memory but it locked up, I didn't Abort them off that Box last night just wanting to see if it would lock up if enough of the 1GB Wu's started running. I Aborted the 1GB Wu's now though after seeing it would lock up ...
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